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THE 3RD CLAN DONALD CHIEF, 'ALAXANDAIR OG', K.1299, (SON OF ANGUS MOR, SON OF DONALD [p.468]) AND HIS NEBULOUS UNCLE, ALASTER MOR (SON OF DONALD) [p.469] .
THEIR HISTORY. "TWO WRONGS WILL NEVER MAKE A RIGHT"
[14 page essay above - .pdf file] .
It is very relevant and even essential to include this for important contextual reasons including:-
* Burke’s Peerage for McAlister of Loup and Kennox, Chief of McAlester has a ‘black hole’ of three generations between [II], Donald and [VI], Ean Dubh 1493, of the pedigree. They did this for a very good reason. It is provided as blank (compare it to 'CLAN DONALD VOL 3'; p.185). Because these “blanks” [III, IV, V] are in fact the Ulster “Clann Alaxandair MacDonnell” or “MacDomhnaill Gallόglach, Clann Alasdair” – [III] is in fact their Clan Donald Chief, Lord of the Isles, Alaxandair OG! This was an insult, a travesty of justice and a show of disrespect to "The MacDonald" himself and his dignity, and to all his descendants.
NB : Mr D. Sellar, now the current Lord Lyon King of Arms, stated :-“Unfortunately, neither the original ‘CLAN DONALD 1896-1904’, although a most useful quarry, nor DJ Macdonald of Castleton’s more recent ‘Clan Donald’, can be relied on.” (ie, regards this particular pedigree as per his :- "McDonald & McRuari Pedigrees MS 1467”; West Highland Notes & Queries; 1st (28), p.3, note 4; 1986; David W Sellar Esq.).
These three generations of Alaxandair Og's have been "body snatched" by A&A MacDonald {in "CLAN DONALD, VOLS I-III"} to prop up the rickety scaffold of their "MacAlister of Loup" to connect through Alaster Mor to the eponymous Donald of Clan Donald. This incredulous ‘high jacking’ has been partly made possible by "the most extraordinary collation of historical untruths" {forceful summation by :- 1. Dr WD Lamont and backed by 2. WDH Sellar {now Lord Lyon}, 3. Proff. GWS Barrow, 4. Dr. K Nicholls, 5. Proff RA MacDonald, 6. Proff Richard Oram, 7. Dr Jean Munro; etc, etc.} :- ie, the "robbing" of Lord Alaxandair Og's 1299 death and the annalist's obituary for/by Alaster Mor; [that 'needed' to be done to] then politically discredit Alaxandair Og by concocting he was ignobly imprisoned/died/“deposed”, 1308, nine years later, after the disingenuous fabrication that he was opposed to and fighting against Robert Bruce; and then further contriving and manipulation by misrepresenting that all of Alaxandair Og's sons were banished, disinherited, to Ireland.
At least three were clearly not :-
1. Raghnall - "Body-snatched" and misused as 'IV' in the MacAlister's pedigree, making a "black hole" in their pedigree! SEE HERE FOR EXTRA RECENT PROOF AND CONFIRMATION from Trinity College Dublin and University College Cork, through their Galloglass Project : "Ragnall son of Alexander, heir of the Clann Alexander (Mac Domhnaill), Sept Surname MacDomhnaill", NOT MacAlister. The Clan MacAlister wrongly assume Clan MacAlister, ie, clan of eponomous Alister MOR, son of Donald, from the minor 'sub-sept surname', which is actually just the usual contemporary, patronymically based form, from Alexander OG, son of Angus Mor, ie, "Clann Alexander" = MacDomnaill/MacDonnell! If, UCC and Trinity College had determined that this was a Raghnaill mac Alexander mac Donald mhic Alister Mor, then they would have said he was of the proper Sept Surname of that period, ie, Mac Alister. They did not. MacAlisters were/are of Clan Domnaill, but they were/are not MacDomhnaills! Fact is, such a person, their pedigree "IV", never existed in that line and neither did the father and son necessarily attached to him to prop up the miscarriage, also "body-snatched" {their pedigree chart black-hole of : "III, IV, V"}.
2. Angus - progenitor of MacAlister Abbots of Iona and Saddel; and
3. Godfrey - most likely progenitor of Alexanders of Fofarshire and Menstrie - see Chart "A" for all of them. Refer to the embedded document at the very beginning of this page for more.
"Randolph Mc Alexander {patronymic!} Chief of the McDonnells" {Annals of Clonmacnoise; p.303; not MacAllisters, and still not even as correctly "oighre Cloinne Alaxandair" - M1366.9} was in Ireland 1366 to settle factional feuding between senior and junior branches of the O'Neills, each supported by their respective senior/junior Galloglaigh Macdonnell Constable/Chief {"Randolph on the one side and his kinsmen, the other McDonnells of the other side" - AND Raghnaill, "Chiefe of the house they were of"}. NB : MacAllisters were never called "MacDonnells", ever, at any stage {even though they are of Clan Domnaill}; plus all the proven descendants of this validated "house" are all Macdonnells! And it is just ludicrous that this Randolph/Raghnaill could be a MacAllister and say "he was Chiefe of the house they were of", ie, a MacAllister, being Chiefe of the House of Macdonnell!" Absolute nonsense, and it's about time the MacAllister Clan "came clean" on this. Their pedigree is seriously flawed - 'they' misappropriated Raghnaill mac Alaxandair {and his father and his son as a 'set' from these Irish Annals} , ie, House of Macdonnell, as Raghnaill MacAllister, their pedigree no. IV, and continue to ignore these facts and evidence here {been provided to their historian}. Burke’s Peerage for McAlister of Loup and Kennox, Chief of McAlester has a ‘black hole’ of three generations between [II], Donald and [VI], Ean Dubh 1493, of the pedigree - they are in fact, the Clan Donald Chief, Alaxandair OG, his son Raghnaill and his son Alexander.
NOTE: there are literally 100’s of Irish Annal entries for these particular Irish 'Mac Alaxandair' = 'Mac-Domnall' (var. of)/Macdonnell Galloglass, ie, all the hereditary Constables, etc, descendants from Alaxandair OG. Are the “MacAlisters (Mor)” adherents seriously saying that the single, lone entry of 1366 is not also one for “Macdonnells”? That it, for some strange, unfathomable reason, is the only one different? That it, is miraculously for a descendant of the otherwise unheralded Alister Mor who in reality is a nebulous, non-entity? Nonsense! It is patently illogical.
The Office of Lord Lyon has provided the necessary evidence [reason] to confirm the "black hole" by confirming the fact that that this lineage only needs to be proved to generation "VI - John Dubh" in 'CLAN DONALD'. Lyon Clerk and Keeper of the Record's reply to me of 18 April 2012:- "Neither the 1847 nor the 1991 recording narrate the descent from such an early period as you mention nor did the Lord Lyon make any comment on who might be the original progenitor, nor did he need to do so to confirm that the Petitioner before him on each occasion was in right of the Arms of MacAlester of Loup, Chief of the Name of MacAlester." [NB: I am not disagreeing with or challenging the findings of the Lord Lyon. WILLIAM, ST JOHN, SOMERVILLE, MCALESTER : IS CHIEF OF THE NAME & ARMS OF MACALISTER (1991).]
HOWEVER :- “The McAlisters of Loup in Kintyre also descended from Alexander the younger [Alaxandair Og] rather than, as has been previously assumed, from his uncle [Alaster Mor] is certainly correct.” (Dr. K Nicholls; World of the Galloglass 1200-1600, p.98; 2007.) And when seen in the light of the Office of Lord Lyon's statement just above in 2012, this earlier opinion of Mr David Sellar makes for an even stronger case :- “It seems at least as likely that their eponym (MacAlisters of Kintyre) was Alexander Og” {David W Sellar Esq; "McDonald & McRuari Pedigrees MS 1467”; West Highland Notes & Queries; 1st (28), p.6; 1986).
Ironically, for some MacAlisters, they are doing a huge injustice to themselves, to their clan and their true chiefly ancestor, Lord Alaxandair Og, who was the only force standing between the emboldened MacDougalls (by Scots Crown) and the Clan Donald actually surviving in the last decade of the 13th century. They would in fact have a sounder, more 'honest' ancestry and history if they accepted the fact that they are descended from Alaxandair OG. Alaster Mor’s only proven record is as only a witness to Angus Mor’s charter, 1253 to the Monastery of Paisley; only one mention in his last 40 years - ie, his prime. [It’s also possible he may have been mentioned in 1291, but wrongly described.] There will eventually be proved a direct link for most MacAllisters to the Clan Donald monastic foundation of Iona Abbey, the burial place of the Lords of The Isles, through their line of the influential and pivotal 15th century Abbot, John Godfrey Angus MacAllister, descended from Alaxandair OG [link to CHART "C"} - and onto the eponymous Donald and Somerled. In addition, this can occur through the lines from their Abbots of Saddell.
NB. "MacAllisters" Y-DNA :- Clan Donald DNA Project evidence does not prove whether Alaster Mor [son of Donald I] or Alaxandair Og [son of Angus Mor] is their eponymous "founder" because obviously they both are "distinguished" by the pre-Lord John [1], son of Angus Og, DYS 458 -[15] signature :- quote, "For none of these [MacAllisters] do we have full paper trails, though the ones with listed lines have family tradition that they originate from the listed line. The marker DYS458 appears, based on this limited data, to distinguish MacDonald from MacAllister" {2 results are 16 and 9 are 15}." Who can say what reliable and consistent result there is for Alaxandair OG or his descendants for marker DYS458 - 15 or 16? No one can - yet. But the DNA project states in two places :- "we believe that Somerled was 15 at DYS458 and that the mutation to 16 occurred with the birth of Lord John [I] himself, since all his sons bear 16". And ..... "Because MacAllisters and one R1a1 person known to be from Glencoe (whose R1a chiefly line began with a brother of Lord John) are 15 at DYS458 we believe that Somerled was 15 at DYS458 and that the mutation to 16 occurred with the birth of Lord John himself, since all his sons bear 16." Therefore we can safely assume, as the Donald DNA project has, that ALL from Somerled to Angus Og were in all high probability DYS458-15 - not just "MacAllisters". What about the also in between MacRuaris, MacDougalls, and especially the Clan Donald MacIans of Ardnamurchan? They should also be 458-15. POINT :- The "MacAllisters" having DYS 458-15 therefore is nothing unusual in the pre-John I group, or in any way precisely distinguishes who was their real progenitor - Alaster Mor or Alaxandair Og. A known Glencoe MacDonald is "458-15" so therefore the illegitimate founder Ian Fraoch's father, Angus Og [and Angus Mor, Donald I, etc] was most likely "458-15" and therefore Angus Og's brother Alaxandair Og would almost certainly be "15". There are those in this DNA project also with this "458-15" marker who are MacDaniels and MacConnells, very common earliest anglizations of "Clann Alaxandair [OG!]" MacDomhnaill Galloglass in Ireland {then some changed to Macdonnell and MacDonald}. Some migrated to Glasgow just to confuse those who don't know their place of real origin.
So, Alaxandair OG's line is one before John I's and Alaxandair's brother Angus Og has a proved line which is 458-15 and therefore in high probability is Alaxandair Og's line. BUT, Alaxandair Og's "Mac-Donnell/Connell/Daniell/Allister/Donald" line does have a full historic paper trail back to him, unlike "MacAllisters" to Alastar Mor which has a three generation "BLACK HOLE " between [II] to [VI] in "CLAN DONALD" and MacAlister of Loup and Kennox pedigree in BURKE'S PEERAGE {18 April 2012 from Office of Lord Lyon :- "nor did the Lord Lyon make any comment on who might be the original progenitor " - [for MacAlister of Loup, etc]"}.
The above case is far from the only occasion that this "CLAN DONALD" [book] MacAlister of Loup pedigree has "lifted" individuals from the Irish line of Alaxandair OG. Any unattended mac allister patronymic of any Clan Donald line is a potential abductee. #
This is why it is essential that the line of the "Ecclesiastical MacAllister Noblemen" is clearly identified, secured and protected :-
[ # AN EXAMPLE of other "M'Allesters" misused in CLAN DONALD; 1896-1904 : Owen (M’Owen) Duff M’Alastran, k. 1572 [MacAllister genealogy "X"], of the Antrim “M’Allesters” of Carey/Monery baronies [old Tuoghs], were in fact the relocated Macdonnells of Lecale, County Down (mhic Alexander “MacRandalboys”). They are from Ian Mor's 2nd son, Randal Ban [Boy] - n.183 Therefore, they are a sept of the Clann Ian Mor. G. Hill – “The best known leader among the Scots of Lecale was ALEXANDER Macrandal Boy Macdonnell [n.29]. He left two sons, Allister and Gillaspick." Alexander MacRandleboy Macdonnell had been knighted by Sussex AND granted THE GLENARM ABBEY AND ALL ITS LANDS 1557 (“probably never ventured to assert his claim”; Hill G; Macdonnells of Antrim; p.417, n.2; and p.122, n.4 . This is one reason the English would have proffered that Owen was "more esteemed than Sorely Boy".
NB:- Annals of Four Masters, 1572 (8). 'John (Owen), the son of Colla, son of Donnell, son of Owen MacDonnell, died.' "Eoin mac Colla, mic Domhnaill, mic Eocchain Mic Domhnaill d'écc." ["CLAN DONALD" avoids mentioning this annal.]
This is the "Lord of Loope" in SPI Feb 1572 [23 VII]; so called "Laird of Loop" (mis)used by CLAN DONALD VOL 3, p186, for the Clan Alister MOR, MacAllisters of Loup, pedigree. There at least two, common and generic, Loubs [Loup, Loope = simply a curve] in the vicinity, eg, Port na Loub, Fairhead #, near Ballycastle ; The Loup, near Dungannon. Carey:- now Culfreightrin (includes Bonamaige, Drumaroan, Barnish) – half the townlands are in Fairhead #.
The Chief of the (ex-Lecale) Carey/Monery (Allester)-Macdonnells was Chief Sorely Boy Macdonnell's baillie in the castle of Kinbane which was located only a few of miles from Sorely’s Ballycastle, on a long peninsula, Kenbann Head [another natural "Loub"?]. Sometime before 1568 Sorely Boy had relocated these “Allesters”, ie, Macdonnells, from Lecale, as tenants on his lands around his residences of Ballycastle and Dunananie (Baronies of Carey, Monery) and placed them as ‘baillie’ of Kinbane Castle [1] - “the Clann Allesters who manure (tenant farm) the lands of Monery & Cary” (SPI 1568, 8 Feb; 32 I; p.363). This castle was allocated as a ‘incentive/reward’ to these Macdonnell “Allesters” after the descendants of Sorely’s brother Colla, were relocated to Colonsay. (Sorley Boy exchanged Kinbane with Gillaspic, son of Colla, giving him a property of at least equal value in the island of Colonsay).
[1] “The McAlisters, although describing themselves as "of Kenbane" lived at Belleisle, near Dervock. Eventually the sole heiress, Anne, daughter of Randal McAlister of Kenbane, i.e., Belleisle, married Colonel Hugh Boyd of the family of Boyd of Ballycastle.” They are Macdonnells. One of two lectures delivered by Hugh A Boyd during Ballycastle Civic Week, 1968 .
THEIR HISTORY. "TWO WRONGS WILL NEVER MAKE A RIGHT"
[14 page essay above - .pdf file] .
It is very relevant and even essential to include this for important contextual reasons including:-
- identify, secure and protect the true pedigree, lineage of the pivotal MacAllister Abbot of Iona * (and Saddell Abbots);
- acknowledge the 1500 year connected history of Ireland & Western Isles (particularly Clan Donald’s period), including the burial customs;
- Alaxandair Og’s true historical status, honour of Lordship, dignity of death (Alexander MacDonald of the Isles (son of Angus son of Donald) @ People of Medieval Scotland, 1093–1314);
- and whether he was buried in St Oran’s Chapel or not, etc, etc. (A much shortened version of an 80 page study.)
* Burke’s Peerage for McAlister of Loup and Kennox, Chief of McAlester has a ‘black hole’ of three generations between [II], Donald and [VI], Ean Dubh 1493, of the pedigree. They did this for a very good reason. It is provided as blank (compare it to 'CLAN DONALD VOL 3'; p.185). Because these “blanks” [III, IV, V] are in fact the Ulster “Clann Alaxandair MacDonnell” or “MacDomhnaill Gallόglach, Clann Alasdair” – [III] is in fact their Clan Donald Chief, Lord of the Isles, Alaxandair OG! This was an insult, a travesty of justice and a show of disrespect to "The MacDonald" himself and his dignity, and to all his descendants.
NB : Mr D. Sellar, now the current Lord Lyon King of Arms, stated :-“Unfortunately, neither the original ‘CLAN DONALD 1896-1904’, although a most useful quarry, nor DJ Macdonald of Castleton’s more recent ‘Clan Donald’, can be relied on.” (ie, regards this particular pedigree as per his :- "McDonald & McRuari Pedigrees MS 1467”; West Highland Notes & Queries; 1st (28), p.3, note 4; 1986; David W Sellar Esq.).
These three generations of Alaxandair Og's have been "body snatched" by A&A MacDonald {in "CLAN DONALD, VOLS I-III"} to prop up the rickety scaffold of their "MacAlister of Loup" to connect through Alaster Mor to the eponymous Donald of Clan Donald. This incredulous ‘high jacking’ has been partly made possible by "the most extraordinary collation of historical untruths" {forceful summation by :- 1. Dr WD Lamont and backed by 2. WDH Sellar {now Lord Lyon}, 3. Proff. GWS Barrow, 4. Dr. K Nicholls, 5. Proff RA MacDonald, 6. Proff Richard Oram, 7. Dr Jean Munro; etc, etc.} :- ie, the "robbing" of Lord Alaxandair Og's 1299 death and the annalist's obituary for/by Alaster Mor; [that 'needed' to be done to] then politically discredit Alaxandair Og by concocting he was ignobly imprisoned/died/“deposed”, 1308, nine years later, after the disingenuous fabrication that he was opposed to and fighting against Robert Bruce; and then further contriving and manipulation by misrepresenting that all of Alaxandair Og's sons were banished, disinherited, to Ireland.
At least three were clearly not :-
1. Raghnall - "Body-snatched" and misused as 'IV' in the MacAlister's pedigree, making a "black hole" in their pedigree! SEE HERE FOR EXTRA RECENT PROOF AND CONFIRMATION from Trinity College Dublin and University College Cork, through their Galloglass Project : "Ragnall son of Alexander, heir of the Clann Alexander (Mac Domhnaill), Sept Surname MacDomhnaill", NOT MacAlister. The Clan MacAlister wrongly assume Clan MacAlister, ie, clan of eponomous Alister MOR, son of Donald, from the minor 'sub-sept surname', which is actually just the usual contemporary, patronymically based form, from Alexander OG, son of Angus Mor, ie, "Clann Alexander" = MacDomnaill/MacDonnell! If, UCC and Trinity College had determined that this was a Raghnaill mac Alexander mac Donald mhic Alister Mor, then they would have said he was of the proper Sept Surname of that period, ie, Mac Alister. They did not. MacAlisters were/are of Clan Domnaill, but they were/are not MacDomhnaills! Fact is, such a person, their pedigree "IV", never existed in that line and neither did the father and son necessarily attached to him to prop up the miscarriage, also "body-snatched" {their pedigree chart black-hole of : "III, IV, V"}.
2. Angus - progenitor of MacAlister Abbots of Iona and Saddel; and
3. Godfrey - most likely progenitor of Alexanders of Fofarshire and Menstrie - see Chart "A" for all of them. Refer to the embedded document at the very beginning of this page for more.
"Randolph Mc Alexander {patronymic!} Chief of the McDonnells" {Annals of Clonmacnoise; p.303; not MacAllisters, and still not even as correctly "oighre Cloinne Alaxandair" - M1366.9} was in Ireland 1366 to settle factional feuding between senior and junior branches of the O'Neills, each supported by their respective senior/junior Galloglaigh Macdonnell Constable/Chief {"Randolph on the one side and his kinsmen, the other McDonnells of the other side" - AND Raghnaill, "Chiefe of the house they were of"}. NB : MacAllisters were never called "MacDonnells", ever, at any stage {even though they are of Clan Domnaill}; plus all the proven descendants of this validated "house" are all Macdonnells! And it is just ludicrous that this Randolph/Raghnaill could be a MacAllister and say "he was Chiefe of the house they were of", ie, a MacAllister, being Chiefe of the House of Macdonnell!" Absolute nonsense, and it's about time the MacAllister Clan "came clean" on this. Their pedigree is seriously flawed - 'they' misappropriated Raghnaill mac Alaxandair {and his father and his son as a 'set' from these Irish Annals} , ie, House of Macdonnell, as Raghnaill MacAllister, their pedigree no. IV, and continue to ignore these facts and evidence here {been provided to their historian}. Burke’s Peerage for McAlister of Loup and Kennox, Chief of McAlester has a ‘black hole’ of three generations between [II], Donald and [VI], Ean Dubh 1493, of the pedigree - they are in fact, the Clan Donald Chief, Alaxandair OG, his son Raghnaill and his son Alexander.
NOTE: there are literally 100’s of Irish Annal entries for these particular Irish 'Mac Alaxandair' = 'Mac-Domnall' (var. of)/Macdonnell Galloglass, ie, all the hereditary Constables, etc, descendants from Alaxandair OG. Are the “MacAlisters (Mor)” adherents seriously saying that the single, lone entry of 1366 is not also one for “Macdonnells”? That it, for some strange, unfathomable reason, is the only one different? That it, is miraculously for a descendant of the otherwise unheralded Alister Mor who in reality is a nebulous, non-entity? Nonsense! It is patently illogical.
The Office of Lord Lyon has provided the necessary evidence [reason] to confirm the "black hole" by confirming the fact that that this lineage only needs to be proved to generation "VI - John Dubh" in 'CLAN DONALD'. Lyon Clerk and Keeper of the Record's reply to me of 18 April 2012:- "Neither the 1847 nor the 1991 recording narrate the descent from such an early period as you mention nor did the Lord Lyon make any comment on who might be the original progenitor, nor did he need to do so to confirm that the Petitioner before him on each occasion was in right of the Arms of MacAlester of Loup, Chief of the Name of MacAlester." [NB: I am not disagreeing with or challenging the findings of the Lord Lyon. WILLIAM, ST JOHN, SOMERVILLE, MCALESTER : IS CHIEF OF THE NAME & ARMS OF MACALISTER (1991).]
HOWEVER :- “The McAlisters of Loup in Kintyre also descended from Alexander the younger [Alaxandair Og] rather than, as has been previously assumed, from his uncle [Alaster Mor] is certainly correct.” (Dr. K Nicholls; World of the Galloglass 1200-1600, p.98; 2007.) And when seen in the light of the Office of Lord Lyon's statement just above in 2012, this earlier opinion of Mr David Sellar makes for an even stronger case :- “It seems at least as likely that their eponym (MacAlisters of Kintyre) was Alexander Og” {David W Sellar Esq; "McDonald & McRuari Pedigrees MS 1467”; West Highland Notes & Queries; 1st (28), p.6; 1986).
Ironically, for some MacAlisters, they are doing a huge injustice to themselves, to their clan and their true chiefly ancestor, Lord Alaxandair Og, who was the only force standing between the emboldened MacDougalls (by Scots Crown) and the Clan Donald actually surviving in the last decade of the 13th century. They would in fact have a sounder, more 'honest' ancestry and history if they accepted the fact that they are descended from Alaxandair OG. Alaster Mor’s only proven record is as only a witness to Angus Mor’s charter, 1253 to the Monastery of Paisley; only one mention in his last 40 years - ie, his prime. [It’s also possible he may have been mentioned in 1291, but wrongly described.] There will eventually be proved a direct link for most MacAllisters to the Clan Donald monastic foundation of Iona Abbey, the burial place of the Lords of The Isles, through their line of the influential and pivotal 15th century Abbot, John Godfrey Angus MacAllister, descended from Alaxandair OG [link to CHART "C"} - and onto the eponymous Donald and Somerled. In addition, this can occur through the lines from their Abbots of Saddell.
NB. "MacAllisters" Y-DNA :- Clan Donald DNA Project evidence does not prove whether Alaster Mor [son of Donald I] or Alaxandair Og [son of Angus Mor] is their eponymous "founder" because obviously they both are "distinguished" by the pre-Lord John [1], son of Angus Og, DYS 458 -[15] signature :- quote, "For none of these [MacAllisters] do we have full paper trails, though the ones with listed lines have family tradition that they originate from the listed line. The marker DYS458 appears, based on this limited data, to distinguish MacDonald from MacAllister" {2 results are 16 and 9 are 15}." Who can say what reliable and consistent result there is for Alaxandair OG or his descendants for marker DYS458 - 15 or 16? No one can - yet. But the DNA project states in two places :- "we believe that Somerled was 15 at DYS458 and that the mutation to 16 occurred with the birth of Lord John [I] himself, since all his sons bear 16". And ..... "Because MacAllisters and one R1a1 person known to be from Glencoe (whose R1a chiefly line began with a brother of Lord John) are 15 at DYS458 we believe that Somerled was 15 at DYS458 and that the mutation to 16 occurred with the birth of Lord John himself, since all his sons bear 16." Therefore we can safely assume, as the Donald DNA project has, that ALL from Somerled to Angus Og were in all high probability DYS458-15 - not just "MacAllisters". What about the also in between MacRuaris, MacDougalls, and especially the Clan Donald MacIans of Ardnamurchan? They should also be 458-15. POINT :- The "MacAllisters" having DYS 458-15 therefore is nothing unusual in the pre-John I group, or in any way precisely distinguishes who was their real progenitor - Alaster Mor or Alaxandair Og. A known Glencoe MacDonald is "458-15" so therefore the illegitimate founder Ian Fraoch's father, Angus Og [and Angus Mor, Donald I, etc] was most likely "458-15" and therefore Angus Og's brother Alaxandair Og would almost certainly be "15". There are those in this DNA project also with this "458-15" marker who are MacDaniels and MacConnells, very common earliest anglizations of "Clann Alaxandair [OG!]" MacDomhnaill Galloglass in Ireland {then some changed to Macdonnell and MacDonald}. Some migrated to Glasgow just to confuse those who don't know their place of real origin.
So, Alaxandair OG's line is one before John I's and Alaxandair's brother Angus Og has a proved line which is 458-15 and therefore in high probability is Alaxandair Og's line. BUT, Alaxandair Og's "Mac-Donnell/Connell/Daniell/Allister/Donald" line does have a full historic paper trail back to him, unlike "MacAllisters" to Alastar Mor which has a three generation "BLACK HOLE " between [II] to [VI] in "CLAN DONALD" and MacAlister of Loup and Kennox pedigree in BURKE'S PEERAGE {18 April 2012 from Office of Lord Lyon :- "nor did the Lord Lyon make any comment on who might be the original progenitor " - [for MacAlister of Loup, etc]"}.
The above case is far from the only occasion that this "CLAN DONALD" [book] MacAlister of Loup pedigree has "lifted" individuals from the Irish line of Alaxandair OG. Any unattended mac allister patronymic of any Clan Donald line is a potential abductee. #
This is why it is essential that the line of the "Ecclesiastical MacAllister Noblemen" is clearly identified, secured and protected :-
- GOFFREDI mac ANGUSII, son of ALAXANDAIR OG, k, 1299;
- was given the alternate surname MACALASANDAIR, 1395;
- HE IS THE FIRST EVER RECOGNIZABLE MACALLISTER.
[ # AN EXAMPLE of other "M'Allesters" misused in CLAN DONALD; 1896-1904 : Owen (M’Owen) Duff M’Alastran, k. 1572 [MacAllister genealogy "X"], of the Antrim “M’Allesters” of Carey/Monery baronies [old Tuoghs], were in fact the relocated Macdonnells of Lecale, County Down (mhic Alexander “MacRandalboys”). They are from Ian Mor's 2nd son, Randal Ban [Boy] - n.183 Therefore, they are a sept of the Clann Ian Mor. G. Hill – “The best known leader among the Scots of Lecale was ALEXANDER Macrandal Boy Macdonnell [n.29]. He left two sons, Allister and Gillaspick." Alexander MacRandleboy Macdonnell had been knighted by Sussex AND granted THE GLENARM ABBEY AND ALL ITS LANDS 1557 (“probably never ventured to assert his claim”; Hill G; Macdonnells of Antrim; p.417, n.2; and p.122, n.4 . This is one reason the English would have proffered that Owen was "more esteemed than Sorely Boy".
NB:- Annals of Four Masters, 1572 (8). 'John (Owen), the son of Colla, son of Donnell, son of Owen MacDonnell, died.' "Eoin mac Colla, mic Domhnaill, mic Eocchain Mic Domhnaill d'écc." ["CLAN DONALD" avoids mentioning this annal.]
This is the "Lord of Loope" in SPI Feb 1572 [23 VII]; so called "Laird of Loop" (mis)used by CLAN DONALD VOL 3, p186, for the Clan Alister MOR, MacAllisters of Loup, pedigree. There at least two, common and generic, Loubs [Loup, Loope = simply a curve] in the vicinity, eg, Port na Loub, Fairhead #, near Ballycastle ; The Loup, near Dungannon. Carey:- now Culfreightrin (includes Bonamaige, Drumaroan, Barnish) – half the townlands are in Fairhead #.
The Chief of the (ex-Lecale) Carey/Monery (Allester)-Macdonnells was Chief Sorely Boy Macdonnell's baillie in the castle of Kinbane which was located only a few of miles from Sorely’s Ballycastle, on a long peninsula, Kenbann Head [another natural "Loub"?]. Sometime before 1568 Sorely Boy had relocated these “Allesters”, ie, Macdonnells, from Lecale, as tenants on his lands around his residences of Ballycastle and Dunananie (Baronies of Carey, Monery) and placed them as ‘baillie’ of Kinbane Castle [1] - “the Clann Allesters who manure (tenant farm) the lands of Monery & Cary” (SPI 1568, 8 Feb; 32 I; p.363). This castle was allocated as a ‘incentive/reward’ to these Macdonnell “Allesters” after the descendants of Sorely’s brother Colla, were relocated to Colonsay. (Sorley Boy exchanged Kinbane with Gillaspic, son of Colla, giving him a property of at least equal value in the island of Colonsay).
[1] “The McAlisters, although describing themselves as "of Kenbane" lived at Belleisle, near Dervock. Eventually the sole heiress, Anne, daughter of Randal McAlister of Kenbane, i.e., Belleisle, married Colonel Hugh Boyd of the family of Boyd of Ballycastle.” They are Macdonnells. One of two lectures delivered by Hugh A Boyd during Ballycastle Civic Week, 1968 .
* BACK TO THE BASICS – “BEST EVIDENCE” – AU 1366 AND MS 1467. MACALISTER OF LOUP GENEALOGY. DESCENDANTS OF ALAXANDAIR OG AND ALASTER MOR.
* AND SEE "NOTES" - THE CONTEXT, ANGUS OG k.1318 - SON JOHN, A MINOR
* AND SEE "NOTES" - THE CONTEXT, ANGUS OG k.1318 - SON JOHN, A MINOR
